Beyond Borders: AI, Digital Nomadism and New Fatherhood with Olumide Gbenro

Welcome to the Future is Freelance podcast for solopreneurs, digital nomads, slowmads, consultants, remote workers, e-residents and people living a life without traditional boundaries. We're here for everyone who defies categorisation and makes a living in a life their own way. Every other Freelance Friday, we're serving up an audio cocktail of expert tips, inspired insights and stories from the frontiers of freelancing To help you achieve success with your borderless business, whatever success means to you as you live life on your own terms. Thanks for listening to the Future is Freelance and for being part of the Future of Work Revolution. Hello and welcome to the Future is Freelance. I have been really looking forward to bringing you today's interview because if you've been around the digital nomad, remote work entrepreneurial space for any length of time, then Olumide Benra would need very little introduction. I had such an interesting conversation with this guy who has been there, seen it and done it and has one eye on the future at all times. I learned a great deal from talking to Oluboth today and from following his content for a long time, so I hope you find this conversation as fascinating and inspiring as I did. Enjoy.

Yes, so once upon a time ago I was born in Nigeria, so I left Nigeria when I was six years old. I ended up living in London, uk. I used to have a British accent as well I could do it if you want And so from there, when I was 13, i moved to the US and my parents, the family, won a green card, so I was kind of traveling through the world in this kind of vehicle that in my family, funny enough. I'm sure we'll cover those themes, maybe we'll see Travel with my family my whole life till I ended up in the United States, as a immigrant actually, and we won a green card lottery. It's like where if people don't know what that is where you basically put your name in, literally as a lottery, as a citizen of another country to come and live in America And after four years, i believe yeah, four years, i think you become a US citizen. So that was our path. That's how I became a US citizen. It wasn't citizen by investment, which is something I would love to do in the future, but I ended up in the US, grew up and went to high school and went to college in the US, but after I finished graduate school I decided I was like, wow, this whole time it's great, i've been going to school doing things that I think is great, like my parents encouraged me to do different things. But I was like if I move on to do a PhD, it's going to be kind of like just continually following the path of others and taking the typical route. And so, unlike other people who quit their jobs to become billionaires or quit their college because they didn't, they thought they had a great idea, or even in the nomad community, some people just left earlier I did everything. I have two master's degrees. I did all of the things all onto the point where I was going to commit and get my Toyota, my 100k salary as a professor and work for a tenure and just focus on research and for this university, prestigious university in California, i said no, i'm just going to go and couch surf and be kind of on my friends' couches across the world the Germany, you know, mexico. And so I started out very humble, i would say, despite having a high skill and knowledge and even education probably top 1% educated in the United States at some point.

At that point, And the world in the world.

Yes, you're right. I said let me couch surf and figure out how to use social media to make money, because I saw this trend about six or seven years ago called Instagram and content creation, before it even became what it is today, and so what I was doing was creating content, showing people my lifestyle kind of blogging, but like on Instagram and dancing on monuments in Mexico. Now I think back. I'm like what were you doing in the middle of the square in Mexico, dancing next to that guy on a horse, like dude? what were you doing? But it's all part of the game and life. And so, long story short, after traveling for a few years, for a couple years, i saw Bali on Instagram. That's how they get you. I saw Bali on Instagram and I said, oh, that seems like a nice place. So around late 2018 is when I moved to Bali and spent a lot of my time and, i think, a lot of my timeline. A lot of people associate with Bali. We all know what happened. I left Bali. There's a little humdrum about me talking about it not being suitable for digital nomads anymore, which I still believe, but I spent those years creating a digital nomad business that could be run from anywhere social media marketing And I grew my skills rapidly. I took a lot of courses. I consulted with a lot of people in the space to learn how to create content that goes viral, how to create content that gets attention and they get sales as well in terms of people who create products or services and need to sell online. So I think that would summarize. Today I live in Project Republic because when I knew I was going to be having a child, i knew I wanted to leave Bali. So we came to a city in Europe that we really love, my partner and I, and now I have like a seven week old baby boy that's growing so fast. He's so beautiful and amazing and life is different. We're doing the very slow matter, not just slow matter, very slow batting right now. So it means that wherever my son we decide, that will be a great place to take him when he's six months old, or where we want to race him when he starts walking. What's best for him is where we now know mad too, and so it's a slower process. I'd say it's more rich in experience because you're able to have familiar places you visit regularly, and that's where I am today all the way from graduate school PhD candidate to social media guy who dabbles in technology and tries to create value for people. And, of course, i'm also consulting for governments and I know we'll get into that maybe on the lifestyles of digital nomads, how to attract digital nomads and how to solve problems that we all face on a daily basis, that a lot of organizations and brands and governments are struggling or want to solve but haven't necessarily been able to do it effectively yet, and they come to me to do that And that's what I do on a daily basis. I run a newsletter called Nomad Cloud that helps to share voices like yourself, maya, the leaders in the space to share the latest things about wellness, health and business, hacks and freelancing type things that help people do better and make more money and feel more successful. Yeah, long story, but yeah.

Fantastic, yeah, but it's a great story And I think that some of the key lessons for our listeners there, for me, was about the choices you can create for yourself Once you do that fundamental thing of disconnecting your way of making a living from needing to be in any particular place. It opens up so much for you and it lets you completely change your priorities about how you live and work. Clearly, fatherhood is in the biggest change in your life this year.

First, of all, congratulations. Thank you so much, That's fantastic.

I'm so happy to hear about another generation of remote location independent entrepreneurs growing up in Europe and coming into the world. How do you think it's changed you as a person, your values, your priorities?

I think it ultimately changed the environment in which I'm willing to live And, again with what I said with Bali, i didn't feel for me it was a good place to raise a child, because of the pollution, because perhaps the safety it's crazy. I had friends that have had children have like belly issues and I'm like I want to eliminate that to zero, based on, like, the food and the water supply, and so I decided to. The way that I'm at now is everything that needs to protect my son. That's how I move And I think that's the most biggest change for me. It's not about like how can I enjoy my canoes or go to somewhere in Spain or Barcelona and go to the nice places to hang out? What does tail want to do? You know what I mean. So it's turned into building a family unit that is primarily motivated by the safety and the health of my child, and that's what made me make some drastic moves in terms of where I was living And, even now, what I choose to spend my time on, even when I mean like client work or bringing on clients or brands. It has to be something that is worth my time and also that just makes sense in terms of my schedule, rather do a more comprehensive gig or consultation that pays more. I'm just being real. We're going to be real here. Put it on the table. I need to get paid more for a good amount of time that I spend, because every minute is valuable to me now. So I won't take on gigs or stuff that are just kind of like oh, i need to do like 10 of those to add up enough money for it to make sense. I want to do one or two larger contracts. So I think that's kind of what's changed. It's the perspective that my child is the most important thing and then I need to build my business and my life around that.

Yeah, Yeah, makes total sense. I did it very much where we were at 15 years ago when we first left the UK. It was you know how exciting you're going to go island hopping or whatever. It's like no schools and hospitals. Those are the things that we want to build a you know, find out where the services that are going to be essential for family life and then look at the lifestyle choices around that. And it does sound boring, but it you know it actually. What's good for them is good for you as a person, exactly. It's good for the world, for the family, so that's really interesting. I think what you said about work choices as well, that really resonates the idea that you're you're trying to choose things that are particularly aligned and in depth, as opposed to one gig to the other. So it feels to me, looking at your work over the long term, that mindset is a huge part of this. It's not about. It's about really building a business, having a strategic direction. A lot of freelancers do end up gig to gig And clearly this is something that's refined in you since you had your son. It's become very conscious focus, but I can see it's been there for a long time. So what? what would you advise freelancers who are maybe setting out and trying to? maybe they're a little bit kind of opportunistic at the moment and going after every chance that comes their way. How do you shift that?

I think if you want to actually make money long term and you actually want to build a career, you need to pick a niche and you need to focus down on creating value for people To build out your brand. A lot. A lot of people don't think about like I am a brand. They think I'm just the person sitting here in my you know hotel. Or if you're a digital nomad, obviously like you're in certain city and you have to go back to work and do this client work, then submit it. If you work on these platforms, like Upwork or wherever, you're probably like, oh, I need to just go do this task, But you need to start thinking, as I am a brand and I want to attract people to me because these platforms are good for being put into, like a lineup to be chosen, But you want to be in a place where you build a brand and you build a recognition based on your work, the quality of your work being so good and focused that people will come to you 99% of the time And that's what I, like you said, I pride myself on. People know if they want viral marketing, if they want to grow and they want PR, whatever it is, that means that they get seen. They know I don't mess around with that. I've put in the hours I have the what do you call it? breadcrumbs, And so you need to set breadcrumbs to make sure people know listen, this is the person I need to go with. I've seen in these platforms it's always a competition. You should try to get rid of competition by niching down, And although, yes, it may take you a few months, it may take you a year to get to that point, Depends what you're doing and who you are. Long term it's going to benefit you so much more. So that's what I would say to that.

Yeah, that makes absolute sense. It's that shifting. so the work starts coming to you, which you can really only get once you've carved out a niche deep enough that you're the best in it, you're the only, and then people know that you're the person to come to, and that changes everything, from these competitive race to bottom type things you see on platforms that make it very difficult to earn a living wage in Europe when you're competing with the rest of the world. And of course, now we're competing against automated services. Exactly. Yeah, i've got to ask you that question. So how is that changing your work?

It makes me get work done a lot faster. So the main thing people are missing out. They think they're going to lose their job or that people are not going to hire them. It's like, no, you could take twice the amount of clients. You literally should be positioning yourself as actually you should pay me, not less. You should pay me the same or more because I'll get it done faster. That's what people are missing. You should be an expert at what they call it prompt engineering, where you basically know what to ask the AI a question to do or given it a task. And once you know how to do this like if you're a writer, for example, you can write the outline of your scripts or short stories or whatever it is. You do notes from somebody's podcast. You can write it out, something that would take you three hours. You can write it out in three minutes at least the framework And then you can put in your personality and the actual, the worth of the value that people are looking for through your writing style. But don't get confused to think that, oh, you're going to be out of the job. You're actually out of the job if you don't learn how to use the tools to produce something of high quality faster. That's it. It's simple. Ai makes you, allows you to do things a lot faster, and those that master and understand how to use it, we'll get. I think that there's a way where a little bit the market may come down, maybe something you used to charge a hundred bucks for a one page, you know draft. Maybe now it's 85, but dude and do debts If it's 85,. Instead of you doing one a week, you just did five. You made 400 bucks, not a hundred, you know so. Yep, you know that makes sense.

That's because I've been concerned about the entry level freelancers in this environment. You know I'm not worried about it replacing journalism and opinion and thought leadership, but it's, you know, a lot of people like I started writing in the product descriptions and show notes and things like that space And that's where I'm. I'm concerned that some of these, some clients will turn to AI rather than those entry level freelancers and writers And it might be harder for them to break into the senior levels And that's true, and that is a fact And that is what happens with technology When Uber came in, it decimated the traditional taxi industry because they were more innovative in solving a problem.

So what I have to say to people like that is it's not a place to complain or whine or feel bad about yourself. It's very easy to learn how to become a prompt engineer through free courses on YouTube and LinkedIn, and you have the tools to level up so that you can now be one of the people that are in demand for this particular task And I think, in general also. One thing I'll say to that is when you are good at what you do and you improve, even if it's a entry level task, people always pick people that are personable, that they like working with, so you can always stand out as well in terms of like how you, the customer service you provide for people. That might be all we have left. This is what's been in our circle. Now, in the AI world and Web3 world, everything is going to be so advanced that the only way if you get hired is by quality of relationships and building relationships and the customer service and how you treat people, because, yes, 10 years from now, 90% of things. I don't know how long it'll take, but let's just say 10 years. It'll be automated And to a point where, although a prompt engineer or somebody who knows, hello you, me, whoever knows how to use it the best, will get hired, but the ones that have a good relationship and know how to do the soft skills are likely to be hired over somebody else who can do the same exact task. So be a good, personable person, be a kind person, connect well with a good heart, but also level up. It's plain and simple, you know.

Yes, the skills are going to become table stakes, aren't they? We will all have to be prompt engineers. We will all be using the same software to deliver the work, so how we interact with it is going to be key, but also, as you said, that how we interact with our clients being amazing to work with will be the ultimate competitive edge, I think. Absolutely. That makes complete sense. I wanted to check in with you on that because you're somebody who I've always seen as keeping an eye on the trends and seeing what's coming, shifting into new industries. Clearly, you can see the potential impact of AI across not just freelancing but global business and enterprise as a whole. What else do you see in the future, Because you were the first person I saw on TikTok talking about remote work and digital nomadism. Well, clearly, as you said, you were dancing on videos back in that long before anybody had thought of that, So projecting that insight into the future. what are you excited about? What are you concerned about? What should freelancers be aware of?

Yeah, i think it comes down to a level of skill that I think again, it's not to reiterate from what I said in the past, but your success comes down now to how much skill you have And I think in the future, again, it just sucks, but it's the truth. But wealth is in the hands of the people who have the resources. Now that it's democratized and now you have open AI, you have chat GPT those that have the skills to prompt these AI platforms will be the ones that are able to, let's say, create platforms that solve problems. So you have to level up to where you have a higher and better understanding on how to use the platforms. It's as simple as that. I don't have some crazy guru answer. You have to get really good And I don't mean, let's say, like chat GPT. I can say, hey, chat GPT. Like write me a 300 word newsletter about the future of remote work. Yeah, that's cool. But you could say, write me a newsletter written in the style of Tim Ferriss that breaks down the historical importance of newsletter, historical importance of remote work and how it helps set a framework for the current digital nomads, particularly in Southeast Asia. You know what I mean, i just made that up. But you have to understand that. You need to understand how to prompt better. And even with the, there's also mid journey, which is like the visual AI that helps create ridiculous different sort of designs and artworks and things like that. There's a level of mid journey. There's some guys and girls out there that are just on a different level, like I. Even I'm still learning to improve every day. There's people who they give a prompt and it's so perfect, it's so good, versus somebody who just says you know, take me, take a, show me a photo taken from a medium shot of Barack Obama. Somebody is like Hey, take a medium shot sitting in the Oval Office with the shining eagle and like and it shows that. And you're like what? And you're like wait, i should have known how to do that. No, you didn't, because you didn't spend enough time mastering the skill. So I'll keep reiterating, because it's important You need to master the skill and access information, which is how people wealthy, why these families have so much money because they have more information and it's siloed for them. Now you have democratization of with AI and the access to being able to do things that you've never been able to do before. So start learning more and more every day and start getting with communities that know more than you like, that have the best prompts, that understand how to use chat, gpt. So I mean all these groups like you said. You know WhatsApp, telegram groups, discord, where people are. Sometimes they're even selling prompts for hundreds of dollars And I'm like you know what, i don't care, i'll pay for it, because they're getting to these prompts that are creating even better results faster than everybody else. So then I can take that on and I can use that to enhance my businesses or even create my own guides that I also sell, and I have different products that I sell, sometimes based on information that I learned from somebody else. I just got it from them and I just remixed it. So go and access through networking and through these different communities, so that you can be part of the next whatever next rich, because if you don't have access, you're going to be the one left sitting out and these groups are going to be sharing the best prompts and the best you know ways to use AI, and you're going to be like, oh, what's going on? Get in those groups, invest in yourself and learn, if you can from the right people, of course. Do your research and you'll be able to stand out amongst the crowd again, because you have access to information and things that other people don't.

Yeah, there is so much information out there now about AI, about people who are claiming to have achieved amazing things with it and can sell you products that can revolutionize your business. There's also a huge amount of free information out there every YouTube channel So do you have any tips to help people navigate the choice of information, where to go for quality insight and the things that are really going to help you level up and find the signal in the noise about what it is?

Yeah, I would say the best place that I asked funny enough that I find AI, quality, ai content or information is Twitter. So if you type in and maybe even now live, i can go to Twitter. Hopefully it doesn't disrupt anything. I could tell you a few names. But if you just literally go to Twitter and you type in the keyword search AI, it will show you different accounts and, of course, never just go oh, this person has 500,000 followers. It doesn't really doesn't mean that they're the end, all be all. But if you type in AI, you'll see the top accounts that come up for this keyword search and start looking through and seeing people you can follow and turn on the notifications so that you basically have the ability to see regular threads on the latest AI platforms that are coming out. And there's a guy that is reputable. He's followed by a lot of the industry top people. His name is Zane Khan. He actually has a newsletter called Superhuman. So I would say, type in the name Zane Khan, z-a-i-n. Space K-A-H-N. And usually another thing I always say with whenever anybody asks about resources when you follow somebody like that, they usually have a network of the similar people. So you have to go to Twitter and hit the upside down arrow, it will give you a recommendation of other people similar to this individual. So that's a good start, because what happens is you end up getting thrown into this black hole. That is, in a good way, all of the people who are innovating and they're creating content regularly, and then what happens is you follow their friends and then you see that they reach with their friends, and the biggest thing I'd say here is newsletters. All of these guys and girls also have newsletters that go out at least once a week that inform you on the latest on AI. This is the way I was quickly able to catch up on the space as well as experimenting. I actually have my own AI twin, which we can talk about how that works, but newsletters through people that you find on Twitter, that you find intriguing and that you see are actually trustworthy and somebody that you would like to follow.

That's fantastic advice, and I would add to that be ready to invest a little bit of money as well as time, because there is so much information out there You can find it all for free. Yes, if you had infinite time, but if you're an entrepreneur, your time is money And very often if somebody else has done the work of curating and compiling that information into a trusted source you can leverage that. It's better to spend your time letting somebody else do that work and learn from them. Oh, one more thing I'll add. That's a great one because you can.

also, if budget is an issue, if you don't want to spend $300 on a course from the top guys, whatever in the space go to Etsy and type in AI prompt guide And then you'll see AI prompt guides from people who have sold hundreds of these AI prompts either their PDFs or their documents online that you click on and check the reviews and the ones that have five star and they have sold 1000 copies. you could probably trust them And, by the way, they're probably $7.99. And that $7.99 is going to differentiate you so much further in everybody trying to figure it out in themselves. So you see, it's not necessarily about even spending a ton of money. it's just spending money in the right place, like Maya just said. So I thought I'd add that Yeah.

That's really. I mean Etsy and AI would be good to me.

Because they're good at digital products now. So, like I created, i actually have my own. I'm not trying to sell it, i don't really care if you buy it, but you might want to check it out. But there's a. Basically you could go on Etsy and just look it up. Basically is what I'm saying. I'm not going to sell you anything, Just check it out.

Okay, great. Well, we'll have to put some links in show notes anyway to check out what you've been creating. But I think that's a really good point. You don't necessarily have to spend a fortune on an all singing or dancing course where somebody's made videos and provided loads of files and exercises.

It's the information is out there.

You can find it at much lower cost And you can use that to really boost your skills. Because I think now you know you and I have both been freelancing for a while and we've probably always been lifetime learners. But it seems the pace of that learning and how fast we have to move to keep up with it is the thing that's really changing And in some ways it's never been easier to keep learning, but in some ways it's never been more urgent.

It's been so noisy It's, and that's the that is the issue is it's why I only I don't follow as many people as I used to. I literally unfollow so many because you should go with quality over quantity. I think that's one thing to just say. I'll say it again quality over quantity. So if you find 10 people that really bring you value and empower you and you learn from better follow them than you know, mindless scrolling on Instagram or a TikTok or, like you said, or Twitter, and so increase your quality over quantity and then you don't have to deal with the noise. So I just thought I mentioned that as well. It's like just do, just go with the quality thing, you know.

Absolutely, and then you get your time back to spend on the higher leverage work that really matters or spend playing with your seven-month-old baby. And all of those things that make life worth living. And thinking is sort of we're looking into the further future, now really dusting off the crystal ball, And just as we move on, I'd like to learn more about your digital twin and how you're using that.

So tell me a little bit more about virtual Olu AIxyz right now. Olu AIxyz, let me just keep listening.

But yeah, you can do that in another window.

Yeah, oh yes, after this podcast, go to Olu AIxyz. And this is what is encouraging. And this is a great question, because it's like, how do I use AI to my benefit? Like, how do I? there's different platforms that people are using. Did you know you can combine a lot of them to create products? I see myself as a more of a creator and a product creator, a experimenter, you know, a futurist. What I did was I took several platforms and I have to pull up the tech stack, but and I didn't code it all myself I found somebody funny enough on Upwork, another skilled person in this space, and paid them to put everything together. But I knew, because I had downloaded enough free and Etsy and courses to know what each of these things do really well. So that's a lesson right there in itself Know what these platforms do really well. Understand fundamentally what they did. So I understood that chat. Gpt is like an open language model that you can ask a question like you know what is the most populated country? You can also ask what is the most optimal, shortest flight to get from here to South Korea with only taking one way flights. Right, it'll just tell you, based on its own brain, its AI brain. So I took the brain of a open language model, chat GPT, and what you can do is you can also create a database and upload your knowledge that's available on the internet in a PDF format and MP3 YouTube video. You can use APIs and other plugins to give your brain to chat GPT Boom. So chat GPT doesn't only just know, oh, the restaurants, best restaurants in Bali are this, this and this. It knows that Olu's best restaurant favorite are this, this and this. So which one do you want? Do you want a combination? Ask a question Hey, hey, olu AI, what are the best restaurants you would recommend to eat in Bali? And then it'll go okay, i will algorithmically hear the top five, but here are the ones Olu really likes. So I took that chat GPT, the language model. Now let's talk about the voice. The voice is something from. Let me see what I use as a voice. There's an AI out there that also has an API that basically allows you to upload a 30 minute podcast of you talking, and this AI is eerily able to utilize the same tone of your voice. It sounds exactly like me. Everybody The AI sounds like this. It doesn't even sound robotic. Sometimes I sound more robotic than the AI It's crazy the advanced in this technology and I'll tell you I don't mind. This is what about me? you know me. I'm going to tell you all the platforms I use. Now It's going to be hard for you to put it together if you don't know how to do it, but I use 11 labs for my voice. I uploaded a 30 minute voice podcast to 11 labs. Maya, you can do this tomorrow too. You can basically upload your podcast. And so then my AI. What it does is it answers questions related to travel and remote work, and if you're in Bali and you need to know where the best coworking space is, you can say Hey, where's the best coworking space to work? That's air conditioned in Bali. It'll say, hi, maya, hmm, the best place to go is where, wherever right. So I combine two AI models a voice and a language model, a brain to basically allow me to answer questions. Now, of course, there's a lot more. We have to do an entire tech stack podcast, but the general premise is, once you've learned what these tools are capable of, you can create products, like I do, and what I did was there's a back end that also connects. Basically, you'd have to when you go to the website, you click the link. It takes you to a telegram. The telegram is where my bot is, so you'll be talking as if you're talking to a real person on telegram, and that is the beta model that we're using right now, just so you have a full scope. And yeah, that's how it was in about six weeks. And what would it take me? by the way, everybody, it would take me six months to a year to build a product like this. I did it by myself and the help of a guy from Germany, and we did it in six weeks or less. It took us some things here and there that weren't working. The voice was acting crazy in the beginning. We're like what is wrong with the voice? So we had to tune it on 11 labs. So many different things, thanks to my community, if anybody's listening. Thank you for helping. It was free at the time. Now you're probably wondering how I make money from this as well. We charge a dollar a minute much like the viral story of the Karen AI to get your questions answered. It's not as profitable as I would like, because I pay for the API's every time we send an API call. I pay every single time. But if I can scale this to, let's just say, 10, 15, 20 people spending that five minutes a day, it's 100 bucks a day. Right, it's an entire different way. It's a massive income of making money online, but, as you can see again, it all comes out to utilizing it using your mind to say how does this work to benefit me? based on not being an expert per se, but spending enough time to understand the mechanisms in which these platforms work and looking at the API's or the back end engineering of how to combine them.

Brilliant. And another way you could scale it would be to productize the creation of the digital twin in the first place. You could help me set up Maya AI.

We might have to see if Maya AI XYZ is available because, by the way again. I hate you to my own horn. I just want to educate, but this can be done for anybody. We have hundreds of hours of content data podcast. We take that, we put it in PDF forms and TXT files, we upload it to our back end database and guess what? I could say Hey, maya, i'm new to freelancing. What would you recommend as the first step? Maya AI would say Hey, how are you with? a beautiful voice of yours is really really cool and relaxed like your best friend, and she tell you, hey, yeah, the best way to do it. And you'd be like, oh yeah, instead of you having to go search and read all her blogs, instead of Maya having to spend, you know, time with 30 people in a day, you have time to spend time with your family as well, and your AI literally has your technically your brain, but a lot of the knowledge you've shared online over the years. It's incredible. I haven't really promoted it and we've already had some people using it. I think we've probably had the free plus paid. We've probably had over an hour of back and forth of people asking questions to all the way I. We kind of re, re, re jigged it And now we had our first sale, like a couple of days ago, so someone purchased like five minutes and then another one, i think, yesterday, another five minutes. So that immediately told me this is viable. This is how I test my my businesses. I put it out there. If people like it, if they like the beta product, then I scale it, and so soon I'll be scaling it. But I'm interested in scaling my son, so I kind of have to take my time with this. But it's there. You want to check it out? Absolutely.

But it's going to free you up for that long term And I'm very interested. When you're ready to be to test this, don't forget to hit me up for that, because I barely do any one to one work anymore. I'm very focused on this kind of one to many communication like we're creating now, and I certainly could never do one to one work at a dollar a minute. So you know, if it's a way for people to access a lot, many, far too many years of experience, we got to put it to use and I would love to speak to you after this and send you some information about it, but trust me, like this is when we put.

let me give you one more gem on that. It's a very good way of upselling. So imagine not having to get on a client call to like tell him here's what I do and like here's what I've done in the past. If you had an AI which is able to tell them everything you know, at least the most important information. And, by the way, after people have spent 30 minutes with me, the AI triggers and says would you like to book a one on one call with me?

Because at that point you're in with the real one.

So would you like to book a call with real Olu? And we haven't again beginning stages. But the goal there is when somebody gets to hear your voice, they build trust. They also know that it's your real knowledge and you care about them and the way you speak is real. But of course it's still an AI, so they know if they want to reach the real person, if I tell them after 30 minutes in a programming hey, i'm open to chat, real Olu is open to chat. I see that as another way of utilizing it to go from oh, i'm only making $5 a day. Dang it, olu. I thought you were going to be a millionaire from this. No, how do you get to the millions? How do you get to a successful, sustainable business? by using the technology to now convert people into the higher ticket stuff, and that's what I'm testing now, that I hope to be able to help other people do as well, not just allowing them to make a few hundred dollars a day.

Yes, fantastic, and it's a way of actually filtering the really relevant and interesting opportunities as well. If somebody spend time with your eye, you know that you're aligned. You're gonna have Goals in common and that's really exciting. So this is, this has been. I think this is gonna leave people with so many ideas and inspirational concepts for the future. I'm just to wrap us up. Can we look a little bit further? what do you think the world is gonna look like for for your son, and when? he's a little work one day. what?

Well, he's gonna have his like robot a. I just follow him around. That's kind of his like digital twin and it'll be an assistant just to make things easier and increase the quality of life. That's what i really think it is. I think is there is not this doomsday. It's gonna like destroy everybody, like terminator. I think it's. The only place it's dangerous is if this turns into A numbing agent, a drug of sorts, something that takes you away from your true responsibilities and things that are important in life to experience. If your a i is, you know, feed me entertainment and keep it up with the Kardashians and bring me my favorite foods based on the acidity of my belly, but i don't get up to do exercise and i'm only one sided using it and i don't have a balance, then it's dangerous in the way that it may hurt people on a one on one personal level. But i have hope for a. I believe that it's going to help us really Simplify our lives so we have more time, like we said, for things that matter. It's gonna allow me to spend more time with my son because you know it learns his sleeping patterns or you know the favorite books he likes to read and then it recommends more You know, fun books for toddlers. Because it sees that he reads these certain books and it also speaks to him in a different language because it's been teaching a different language. I think it only enhances. What i will say is i'm not gonna be the parent, i'm just being being my own self. You can do what you want with your kids, but i'm gonna be a parent that puts on the VR glasses when the kids, when you want to like, no like. I'm gonna be the parent that only utilize is it to help Enhance connective experience, to spend more time with the family, not less.

Yeah, and the fact is you can. Any VR x you want to experience anywhere in the world. You can take your kid there because you freed up your time. You don't need to stick the helmet on thank you.

Let's take him into the to the forest and let them walk on some real like grass. Like, please, we don't real reality reality exactly are are real reality. I'll let you said that well.

I think that's a fantastic moment to wrap up, although this has been amazing. Thank you so much for being part of the future is free land for all that you do in the world.

Thank you, my pleasure to be on and thank you for everything you do as well. I can't wait to listen to. I listen to a couple of pockets actually yesterday and i really love the way you speak to people and i recommend anyone listening. Check out the other podcast, not just me. So much value here. So thank you again.

My for the guest doing their own call to action. I must have you on every week.

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Citizen. It wasn't citizen by investment, which is something i would love to do in the future. But i ended up in the US, grew up and went to high school and went to college in the US. But after i finished graduate school i decided i was like, wow, this whole time it's great, i've been going to school doing things. That i think is great, like my parents encourage me to do different things. But i was like, if i move on to do a phd, it's going to be kind of like just continually fall in the path of others and taking the typical route. And so, unlike other people who quit their jobs to become billionaires or quit their college because they didn't, they thought they had a great idea or even in the nomad community, some people, you know, just left earlier. I did everything. I have two master's degrees. I did all of the things all on to the point where i was going to commit and get my Toyota, my hundred case alie as a professor, and work for a tenure and just focus on research. And for this university, prestigious university in California, i said no, i'm just going to go and couch surf and be Kind of all my friends. Couches across the world to Germany, you know Mexico, and so i started out very humble, i would say, despite having a high skill and knowledge and even education, probably top one percent educated in the united states at some point at that point In the world. In the world yes, you're right i said let me couch surf and figure out how do you social media to make money? Is all this trend about six or seven years ago called instagram and content creation, before it even became what it is today, and so what i was doing was creating content, showing people my lifestyle, kind of blogging, but like On instagram, and dancing on monuments in Mexico. Now i think back i'm like what were you doing in the middle of the square in Mexico, dancing next to that guy on the horse, like dude, what were you doing? But it's all part of the game and life. And so, long story short, after traveling for a few years, for a couple years, i saw Bali on instagram. That's how they get you. I saw Bali on instagram and i said, oh, that seems like a nice place. So around 2000, late 2018, is when i moved to Bali and spend a lot of my time and, i think, a lot of my timeline. A lot of people associate with Bali. We all know what happened. I left Bali. There's a little hum drum about me talking about it not being suitable for digital nomads anymore, which i still believe but i spent those years Creating a digital nomad business that could be run from anywhere social media marketing and i grew my skills rapidly. I took a lot of courses. I consulted with a lot of people in the space To learn how to create content that goes viral, how to create content that gets attention and they get sales as well, in terms of people who create products or services on, and i need to sell Online. So i think that would summarize. Today i live in project republic because when i knew i was going to be having a child and knew i wanted to leave Bali. So we came to a city in europe that we really love, my partner and i, and now i have like a seven week old baby boy that's growing so fast, he's so beautiful and amazing and life is different. We're doing the very slow matter, not just slow matter, very slow batting right now. So it means that Wherever my son we decide, that will be a great place to. You know, take him when he's six months old, or where we want to raise him when he starts walking, and so it's a slower process. I'd say it's more rich in experience because you're able to have familiar places you visit regularly. And that's where i am today, all the way from graduate school PhD candidate to social media guy who dabbles in technology and and Try to create value for people in the course. I'm also consulting for governments and i know we'll get into that maybe on The lifestyle is a digital nomad, how to attract digital nomads and how to solve problems that we all face on a daily basis That a lot of organizations and brand and governments are struggling or want to solve but haven't necessarily been able to do it effectively and they come to me to do that. And that's what i do on a daily basis. I run a newsletter called nomad cloud that helps helps to share voices like yourself, my, the leaders in the space to share the latest things about wellness, health and, you know, business hacks and freelancing type things that help people do better and make more money and feel more successful. Yeah, long story, but yeah, yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. Yeah, i think it ultimately changed the environment in which i'm willing to live and again, with with what i said with bali, i didn't feel for me it was a good place to raise a child, because of the pollution, because perhaps the safety, you know it's. It's crazy. I had friends that have had, you know, children have like belly issues and i'm like i want to eliminate that to zero, based on like the food and the water supply, and so i decided to. The way that i'm at now is everything that needs to protect my son. That's how i move and i think that's the most biggest change for me. It's not about like how can i enjoy micanos or go to Somewhere in spain or Barcelona, go to the nice, like places to hang out, like what is my? what does tail want to do? you know what i mean. So it's turned into building a family unit That is primarily motivated by the safety and the health of my child, and that that's what made me make some drastic moves in terms of where i was living And, even now, what i choose to spend my time on. Even when it means when i mean like client work or bringing on, you know, clients or brands, it has to be something that is worth my time and also That just makes sense in terms of my schedule, you know. Rather do a more comprehensive gig or consultation that pays more. I'm just being real. We're going to be real here. Put it on the table. I need to get paid more for a good amount of time that i spend, because every minute is valuable to me now. So i won't take on gigs or stuff that are just kind of like Oh, i need to do like 10 of those to add up enough, enough money to make sense. I want to do one or two, you know larger contracts. So i think that's kind of what's changed. It's the perspective that my child is the most important thing and then i need to build my business and my life around that. Yeah, yeah, exactly Yeah, yep, absolutely, yeah, exactly, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if you want to actually make money long term and you actually want to build a career, you need to pick a niche and you need to focus down on creating value for people, to build out your brand. A lot of people don't think about like I am a brand. They think I'm just the person sitting here in my hotel. Or if you're a digital nomad, obviously you're in a certain city and you have to go back to work and do this client work, then submit it. If you work on these platforms like Upwork or wherever, you're probably like, oh, i need to just go do this task. But you need to start thinking, as I am a brand and I want to attract people to me because these platforms are good for being put into, like a lineup to be chosen, but you want to be in a place where you build a brand and you build a recognition based on your work, the quality of your work being so good and focus that people will come to you 99% of the time And that's what I, like you said, i pride myself on. People know if they want viral marketing, if they want to grow and they want PR, whatever it is, that means that they get seen. They know I don't mess around with that. I've put in the hours. I have the what do you call it? breadcrumbs, and so you need to set breadcrumbs to make sure people know listen, this is the person I need to go with. I've seen in these platforms it's always a competition. You should try to get rid of competition by niching down And although, yes, it may take you a few months, it may take you a year to get to that point, depends what you're doing and who you are. Long term, it's going to benefit you so much more. So that's what I would say to that Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, exactly, yeah. You have AI chasing you down now. Yeah, please, it makes me get work done a lot faster. So the main thing people are missing out they think they're going to lose their job or that people are not going to hire them. It's like no, you could take twice the amount of clients. You literally should be positioning yourself as actually you should pay me, not less. You should pay me the same or more, because I'll get it done faster. That's what people are missing. You should be an expert at what they call it prompt engineering, where you basically know what to ask the AI, a question to do or give it in a task And once you know how to do this like if you're a writer, for example you can write the outline of your scripts or short stories or whatever it is. You do. You know notes from somebody's podcast. You can write it out, something that would take you three hours. You can write it out in three minutes, at least the framework and then you can put in your personality and the actual. You know the worth of the value that people are looking for through your writing style, but don't get confused to think that, oh, you're going to be out of the job. You're actually out of the job If you don't learn how to use the tools to produce something of high quality faster. That's it. It's simple. Ai makes you, allows you to do things a lot faster, and those that master and understand how to use it we'll get. I think that there's a way where, a little bit, the market may come down. Maybe something you used to charge a hundred bucks for a one page, you know, draft. Maybe now it's 85,. But dude and do debts, it's if it's 85,. Instead of you doing one a week, you just did five. You made 400 bucks, not a hundred, you know. So yeah, yeah, right, mm. Hmm, yeah, yeah, and that's true, and that is a fact, and that's what we're going to do. Yeah, and that's true, and that is a fact, and that is what happens with technology. When Uber came in, it decimated the traditional taxi industry because they were more innovative in solving a problem. So what I have to say to people like that is it's not a place to complain or whine or feel bad about yourself. It's very easy to learn how to become a prompt engineer through free courses on YouTube and LinkedIn, and you have the tools to level up so that you can now be one of the people that are in demand for this particular task And, i think, in general also. One thing I'll say to that is when you are good at what you do and you improve, even if it's a entry level task, people always pick people that are personable, that they like working with, so you can always stand out as well in terms of how you, the customer service you provide for people. That might be all we have left. This is what's been in our circle. Now in the AI world and Web 3 world, everything is going to be so advanced that the only way if you get hired is by quality of relationships and building relationships and the customer service and how you treat people. Because, yes, 10 years from now, 90% of things I don't know how long it'll take, but let's just say 10 years it'll be automated And to a point where, although a prompt engineer or somebody who knows hello you, me, whoever knows how to use it the best, will get hired, but the ones that have a good relationship and know how to do the soft skills are likely to be hired over somebody else who can do the same exact task. So be a good, personable person, be a kind person, connect well with a good heart, but also level up. It's plain and simple. You know Exactly, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yes, that's great. The way before that, yeah, yeah, i think it comes down to a level of skill that I think, again, it's not to. You know, reiterate from what I said in the past, but your success comes down now to how much skill you have, and I think in the future, again, it just sucks, but it's the truth. But wealth is in the hands of the people who have the resources. Now that it's democratized and now you have open AI, you have chat GPT. Those that have the skills to prompt these AI platforms will be the ones that are able to, let's say, create platforms that solve problems. So you have to level up to where you have a higher and better understanding on how to use the platforms. It's as simple as that. I don't have some crazy guru answer. You have to get really good And I don't mean, let's say, like chat GPT, i can say, hey, chat, gpt. Like, write me a you know 300 word newsletter about the future of remote work. Yeah, that's cool. But you could say write me a newsletter written in the style of Tim Ferriss, that breaks down the historical importance of newsletter, historical importance of remote work and how it helps set a framework for the current digital nomads, particularly in Southeast Asia. You know what I mean. I just made that up. But you have to understand that you need to understand how to prompt better. And even with the, there's also mid journey, which is like the visual AI that helps create ridiculous different sort of designs and artworks and things like that. There's a level of mid journey. There's some guys and girls out there that are just on a different level, like I. Even I'm still learning to improve every day. There's people who they give a prompt and it's so perfect, it's so good, versus somebody who just says you know, take me, take a, show me a photo taken from a medium shot of Barack Obama. Somebody is like Hey, take a medium shot sitting in the Oval Office with the shining eagle and like and it shows that. And you're like what? And you're like wait, i should have known how to do that. No, you didn't, because you didn't spend enough time mastering the skill. So I'll keep reiterating because it's important You need to master the skill and access information, which is how people wealthy, why these families have so much money, because they have more information and it's siloed for them. Now you have democratization of with AI and the access to being able to do things that you've never been able to do before. So start learning more and more every day and start getting with communities that know more than you like, that have the best prompts, that understand how to use chat, gpt. So I'm in all these groups, like you said. You know WhatsApp, telegram groups, discord, where people are. Sometimes they're even selling prompts for hundreds of dollars And I'm like you know what, i don't care, i'll pay for it, because they're getting to these prompts that are creating even better results faster than everybody else. So then I can take that on and I can use that to enhance my businesses or even create my own guides that I also sell and I have. I have different products that I sell, sometimes based on information that I learned from somebody else. I just got it from them and I just remixed it. So go and access through networking and through these different communities so that you can be part of the next whatever, next rich, because if you don't have access, you're going to be the one left sitting out and these groups are going to be sharing the best prompts and the best you know ways to use AI And you're going to be like, oh, what's going on? Get in those groups, invest in yourself and learn, if you can, from the right people, of course, do your research And you'll be able to stand out amongst the crowd again because you have access to information and things that other people don't. Yeah, i think I lost you there One second. Yes, i lost you there. I don't know, my internet's pretty pretty good. You just said the quality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, i would say the best place that I asked funny enough that I find AI, quality, ai content or information is Twitter. So if you type in and maybe even now live, i can go to Twitter. Hopefully it doesn't disrupt anything. I could tell you a few names, but if you just literally go to Twitter and you type in the keyword search AI, it will show you different accounts And, of course, never just go Oh, this person has 500,000 followers. It doesn't really doesn't mean that the end all be all, but if you type in AI, you'll see the top accounts that come up for this keyword search and start looking through and seeing people you can follow and turn on the notifications so that you basically have the ability to see regular threads on the latest AI platforms that are coming out. And there's a guy that is reputable. He's followed by a lot of the industry top people. His name is Zane Khan. He actually has a newsletter called Superhuman. So I would say, type in the name Zane Khan, z-a-i-n, space, k-a-h-n. And usually another thing I always say with whenever anybody asks about resources when you follow somebody like that, they usually have a network of the similar people. So you have to go to Twitter and hit the upside down arrow. It will give you a recommendation of other people similar to this individual. So that's a good start, because what happens is you end up getting thrown into this black hole. That is, in a good way, all of the people who are innovating and they're creating content regularly, and then what happens is you follow their friends and then you see that they're retweet their friends And the biggest thing I'd say here is newsletters. All of these guys and girls also have newsletters that go out at least once a week that inform you on the latest on AI. This is the way I was quickly able to catch up on the space, as well as experimenting. I actually have my own AI, my own AI twin, which we can talk about how that works, but newsletters through people that you find on Twitter that you find intriguing and that you see are actually trustworthy and somebody that you would like to follow So much Absolutely Yeah, yeah, oh. One more thing I'll add. That's a great one, because you can also, if budget is an issue, if you don't want to spend $300 on a course from the top guys, whatever in the space go to Etsy and type in AI prompt guide And then you'll see AI prompt guides from people who have sold hundreds of these AI prompts either their PDFs or their documents online that you click on and check the reviews and the ones that have five star and they've sold a thousand copies. You could probably trust them And, by the way, they're probably $7.99 and that $7.99 is going to differentiate you so much further in everybody trying to figure it out in themselves. So you see, it's not necessarily about even spending a ton of money. It's just spending money in the right place, like Maya just said. So I thought I'd add that Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they. Etsy is good at downloading, etsy is good at digital products now. So, like I created, i actually have my own. I'm not trying to sell it, i don't really care if you buy it, but you might want to check it out. But there's a. Basically you could go on Etsy and just look it up. Basically is what I'm saying. I'm not going to sell you anything, just check it out. Sure, exactly, yep, it's out there There, absolutely. Yeah, it's been so noisy, it's, and that's the. That is the issue is it's, it's why I only I don't follow as many people as I used to. I literally unfollow so many because you should go with quality over quantity. I think that's one thing to just say. I'll say it again quality over quantity. So if you find 10 people that really bring you value and empower you and you learn from better, follow them than you know mindless scrolling on Instagram or TikTok or, like you said, or Twitter, and so increase your quality over quantity and then you don't have to deal with the noise. So I just thought I mentioned that as well. It's like just do, just go with the quality thing. You know Exactly, that's right, yeah, sure, all right, yeah, everybody, go to Olu AIXYZ right now. Olu AIXYZ, let me just plug. Let me let me plug my yeah, oh yes, after this podcast, go to Olu AIXYZ. So what I did was and this is what is encouraging, and this is a great question, because it's like, how do I use AI to my benefit? Like, how do I? there's, there's different platforms that people are using. Did you know? you can combine a lot of them to create products. So I see myself as a more of a creator and a product creator, a experimenter, you know, a futurist. What I did was I took several platforms and I have to pull up the tech stack, but and I didn't code it all myself I found somebody funny enough on Upwork, another skilled person in this space, and paid them to put everything together. But I knew, because I had downloaded enough free and Etsy and courses to know what each of these things do really well. So that's less than right there in itself Know what these platforms do really well, understand fundamentally what they did. So I understood that chat GPT is like an open language model that you can ask a question like you know what is the most populated country, you can also ask what is the most optimal, shortest flight to get from here to South Korea with only taking one way flights? right, it'll just tell you based on its own brain, its AI brain. So I took the brain of a open language model, chat GPT. What you can do is you can also create a database and upload your knowledge that's available on the internet in a PDF format and MP3 YouTube video. You can use APIs and other plugins to give your brain to chat GPT Boom. So chat GPT doesn't only just know, oh, the restaurants. Best restaurants in Bali are this, this and this. It knows that Olu's best restaurant favorite are this, this and this. So which one do you want? Do you want a combination? Ask a question Hey, hey, olu AI, what are the best restaurants you would recommend to eat in Bali? And then it'll go. Okay, i will algorithmically hear the top five, but here are the ones Olu really likes. So I took that chat GPT, the language model. Now let's talk about the voice. The voice is something from. Let me see what I use as a voice. There's an AI out there that also has an API that basically allows you to upload a 30 minute podcast of you talking, and this AI is eerily able to utilize the same tone of your voice. It sounds exactly like me. Everybody The AI sounds like this. It doesn't even sound robotic. Sometimes I sound more robotic than the AI. It's crazy the advance in this technology. and I'll. I don't mind. This is what about me. You know me. I'm going to tell you all the platforms I use. Now, it's going to be hard for you to put it together if you don't know how to do it, but I use 11 labs for my voice. I uploaded a 30 minute voice podcast to 11 labs. Maya, you can do this tomorrow too. You can basically upload your podcast. And so then my AI. What it does is it answers questions related to travel and remote work, and if you're in Bali and you need to know where the best coworking space is, you can say, hey, olu, ai, where's the best coworking space to work? That's air conditioned in Bali. It'll say, hi, maya, the best place to go is where, wherever, right. So I combine two AI models a voice and a language model, a brain to basically allow me to answer questions. Now, of course, there's a lot more. We have to do an entire tech stack podcast, but the general premises, once you've learned what these tools are capable of. You can create products, like I do, and what I did was there's a back end that also connects. Basically, you'd have to. When you go to the website, you click the link. It takes you to a telegram. The telegram is where my bot is, so you'll be talking as if you're talking to a real person on telegram, and that is the beta model that we're using right now, just so you have a full scope. And yeah, that's how it was in about six weeks. And what would it take me? by the way, everybody, it would take me six months to a year to build a product like this. I did it by myself and the help of a guy from Germany, and we did it in six weeks or less. It took us some things here and there that weren't working at once. The voice was acting crazy in the beginning. We're like what is wrong with the voice? So we had to tune it on 11 labs. So many different things. Thanks to my community, if anybody's listening. Thank you for helping. It was free at the time. Now you're probably wondering how I make money from this as well. We charge a dollar a minute, much like the viral story of the Karen AI to dollar to get your questions Answered. It's not as profitable as I would like because I pay for the API's every time we send it API call. I pay every time. But if I can scale this to, let's just say, 10, 15, 20 people spending that five minutes a day, it's 100 bucks a day. Right, it's an entire different way you can passive income or making money online, but, as you can see again, it all comes out to utilizing it using your mind to say how does this work to benefit me? based on not being an expert per se, but spending enough time to understand the mechanisms in which these platforms work, and looking at the API's or the back end engineering of how to combine them. We might have to see if my AI XYZ is available because, by the way, again not to. I hate you to my own horn. I just want to educate, but this can be done for anybody. If you have hundreds of hours of content, data, podcast, we take that, we put it in PDF forms and TXT files, we upload it to our back end database and guess what? I say hey, maya, i'm new to freelancing. What would you recommend? as the first step, maya AI would say Hey, how are you with a beautiful voice of yours, is really really cool and relaxed like your best friend, and she tell you, hey, yeah, the best way to do this is to say, hey, maya, yeah, the best way to do is start and you'd be like, oh yeah, instead of you having to go search and read all her blogs, instead of Maya having to spend, you know, time with 30 people in a day, you have time to spend time with your family as well, and your AI literally has your technically, your brain, but a lot of the knowledge you've shared online over the years. It's incredible. I haven't really promoted it and we've already had some people using it. We've probably had the free plus paid. We've probably had over an hour of back and forth of people asking questions to all the way I. We kind of re, re, re jigged it And now we had our first sale, like a couple days ago. So someone purchased like five minutes and then another one, i think yesterday, another five minutes. So that immediately told me this is viable. This is how I test my my businesses. I put it out there. If people like it, if they like the beta product, then I scale it, and so soon I'll be scaling it, but I'm interested in scaling my son, so I kind of have to take my time with this. But it's there. You want to check it out, you know? Oh, absolutely Very nice, yeah, yeah. Well, we got to put it to use and I would love to speak to you after this and send you some information about it. But trust me, like this is when we put let me give you one more gem on that It's a very good way of upselling. So imagine not having to get on a client call to like tell them here's what I do and like here's what I've done in the past. If you had an AI which is able to tell them everything you know, at least the most important information. By the way, after people have spent 30 minutes with me, the AI triggers and says would you like to book a one on one call with me? Because at that point you're in with the real human. Yeah, with real old Lou. So would you like to book a call with real old Lou? and we haven't again beginning stages. But the goal there is when somebody gets to hear your voice, they build trust. They also know that it's your real knowledge and you care about them, and the way you speak is real, but of course it's still an AI, so they know if they want to reach the real person. If I tell them after 30 minutes in the programming hey, i'm open to chat, oh, lose, real old Lou's open to chat. I see that as another way of utilizing it to go from oh, i'm only making $5 a day, dang it. Oh, lou, i thought you're going to be a millionaire from this. No, how do you get to the millions? or how do you get to a successful, sustainable business? by using the technology to now convert people into the higher ticket stuff, and that's what I'm testing now, that I hope to be able to help other people do as well, not just allowing them to make a few hundred hours a day. Yep, exactly, exactly, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, well, he's going to have his like robot AI just follow him around. That's kind of his like digital twin and it'll be an assistant, just to make things easier and increase the quality of life. That's what I really think it is. I think AI is there, is not this doomsday. It's going to like destroy everybody, like Terminator, i think it's. The only place it's dangerous is if this turns into a numbing agent, a drug of sorts, something that takes you away from your true responsibilities and things that are important in life to experience. If your AI is, you know, feed me entertainment and keep it up with the Kardashians and bring me my favorite foods based on the acidity of my belly, but I don't get up to do exercise and I'm only one sided using it and I don't have a balance, then it's dangerous in the way that it may hurt people on a one on one personal level. But I have hope for AI. I believe that it's going to help us really simplify our lives So we have more time, like we said, for things that matter. It's going to allow me to spend more time with my son, because you know it learns his sleeping patterns, or you know the favorite books he likes to read, and then it recommends more you know fun books for toddlers, because it sees that he reads these certain books and it also speaks to him in a different language because it's been teaching you a different language. I think it only enhances. What I will say is I'm not going to be the parent, i'm just being being my own self. You can do what you want with your kids, but I'm not going to be a parent that puts on the VR glasses when the kids, one year, one years old, like, no, like. I'm going to be the parent that only utilizes it to help enhance a connective experience, to spend more time with the family, not less. Thank you, thank you. Let's take him into the to the forest and let them walk on some real like grass, like, please. We don't need real reality exactly are our real reality. I love the way you said that. Thank you, my pleasure to be on and thank you for everything you do as well. I can't wait to listen to. I listen to a couple podcasts actually yesterday and I really love the way you speak to people and I recommend anyone listening. Check out the other podcast, not just me. So much value here. So thank you again, maya, for the opportunity, of course. Yeah, you have all the way. Perfect cheers, bye, bye.